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Should a Noahide convert to Reform Judaism if no Orthodox community is accessible?

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If a Noahide wants to convert to Judaism and the nearest Orthodox community is hundreds of miles away, should he go with what's available in his area? Even if it's Reform? As I understand it, Judaism is a journey and a person builds on the mitzvot he keeps. As he learns and practices, he discovers more mitzvot he can keep. Would a nearby Reform congregation be a good place for a Noahide to convert? Presumably, he could go from there to more observant communities if he is able to move and wanted to do so.

I understand Orthodox and Reform don't always get along, that there are big differences. If he converted in Reform Judaism and moved into an Orthodox area and began attending the shul, their influence would help him be a better, more observant Jew, right?

Is the worst that would happen is that the convert would have to undergo the process again for whatever community he would move into next?

Is it better for his soul to live as a Jew in his community than to be an outsider? I guess I would think, maybe?

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Hello -- if one wanted to stick with an orthodox perspective, I would point out that a reform convers... (6 comments)
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As a Noachide wanting to convert to Judaism you are already on a journey. Such journeys are by their nature incremental, so even though your end goal isn't currently available to you, you might be able to get some intermediate improvements. Community is central to Judaism and it sounds like that's a step you're looking to take.

You can become involved with the community that is available to you and defer the decision about what to do about conversion. Especially in Reform, where intermarriage is common and the non-Jewish partners are part of the community, nobody is going to question your right to be there. "I'm considering conversion" is all you need to say about your status to other congregants.

Conversion to Judaism (in any movement) is a long process. The convert is expected to learn enough to make an informed decision and to start living as a Jew as much as possible. It is expected that not all who start the process will finish. If you decide you want to start the process (there might be formal courses and rabbinic counseling), be honest with the rabbi about your intentions and see what the rabbi says.

As a non-Jew there are a very few things you are not permitted to do. Those limitations might not be all that important to you (do you mind not being able to accept a torah honor like an aliyah?) or might be worked around (for example, per halacha you aren't permitted to fully keep Shabbat, but your rabbi can suggest something you can do to satisfy that without disrupting the holiness of the day for you).

If you do convert through the Reform movement, know that in the eyes of Orthodox Jews you are still a non-Jew and would need to convert through their process. I've heard of a few people who have done that -- started with a liberal movement, later realized that wasn't the right place for them, and converted Orthodox -- so this is not unheard-of. You might learn some things from the Reform movement that you'll have to "unlearn" or adjust later, so do be aware of that -- but this is why the conversion process is long for Orthodox too.

A philosophy I've often heard expressed is that it is better to be a non-Jew than a sinning Jew -- if you aren't able to commit, then don't convert. Becoming part of a Jewish community does not require conversion. And you don't need to decide everything at the beginning. So you can go, explore, see what opportunities there are for you to connect with people and learn, and then decide what to do.

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Good advice. How do you think it affects the soul? (3 comments)
Good advice. How do you think it affects the soul?
deleted user wrote 10 months ago

I've heard the same philosophy, that rabbis who handle conversions don't want to create sinners. Absolutely.

Also, I understand what you're saying about being involved with the community as a Noahide. Yes, there are activities to attend, but it's not the same. I've been included in Jewish communities, but was never part of those communities. The seventh day God rested, but Shabbat is for the Jew. The Song of Songs isn't about God and the Noahide. We just can't have that same relationship with God as a Jew.

If a Noahide does convert with his Reform community, it will likely not be the end of the matter. And once he's around the Orthodox, he'll have to do it again.

Not sure if it's a better situation to be a Jew in that capacity. If it brings a closer relationship with Hashem, maybe? Is there any negative effects on the soul, to be a convert - then a Jew - then a convert again?

deleted user wrote 10 months ago

To answer my own comment, I believe it could have a very negative effect on the soul of a Noahide to either study with or convert with a Reform congregation. I've been a dedicated Noahide for over 13 years, been to 3 Orthodox synagoges, numerous Orthodox chapel services on military installations, etc. I sat in on my first Reform congregation Erev Shabbat service this week. It's not for me. A Noahide may feel compelled to become a Jew so he can be as close to Hashem as possible. Converting in the Reform congregation I visited will not get him where he wants to be. They were nice people, very welcoming. Being an outsider in every Jewish community and being the sole Noahide in the area is more preferable than what one would have to give up to convert in this manner. Maybe for others, but not compatible for me because of what I've already learned from the Torah as a Noahide. I couldn't recommend it, and I very much wanted to.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote 10 months ago

So much depends on the individual Noachide and individual congregation. I'm sorry it isn't for you, and also not completely surprised that, for someone whose connection to halacha is stronger, it disappointed. There are probably some Reform congregations that could be reasonable stepping stones, but not all are.