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Comments on How is God's name pronounced when there is a prefix?

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How is God's name pronounced when there is a prefix?

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The 4 letter name for Hashem is replaced with the word a/d-/nai (3 syllables). But my siddur doesn't put vowels under each instance, so I'm not sure how to say the word when it is preceded b a prefix lake a vav, a lamed or a beit.

The word "e/l-/kei" becomes vei/l-/kei with the addition of the preceding vav -- the vowels under the aleph disappear and the word stays 3 syllables. Is the same true for Hashem's name? Does it become

va/d-/nai

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va/a/d-/nai and become 4 syllables?

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There is a popular mnemonic to remember this (a brief search for its origin was not successful):

מש"ה מוציא וכל"ב מכניס

Moshe “takes out” but Kalev “brings in”

That is, if the prefix is one of the letters mem, shin or heh, then the aleph of G-d's name retains its vowel and is pronounced (“taken out”).

However, if the prefix is vav, kaf, lamed or bet, then the aleph loses its vowel and is not pronounced (“brought in”).

So, in your specific question, the pronunciation would be va/do/nai.

Of course, like with all rules, this one also has its exceptions (one of which appears in the haftarah for the morning of Tish’ah BeAv, in Yirmiyahu 8:19).

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AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago

The mnemonic is only useful if you understand what it means, so probably worth translating it

rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Would that rule correlate to the vowel under the prefix letter?

JoelK‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@rosends I don’t understand your question

rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@JoelK does it have to do with the vowel sound under the prefix (e.g. a patach would cause a combined syllable while a segol, because it is distinct from the opening vowel sound of A-do-nai, would create 2 separate syllables)?

JoelK‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@rosends I see. The problem is that it’s a bit circular - the vowel on the prefix can sometimes change depending on the vowel on the first letter of the following word.

rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@JoelK does the vowel under the first letter of Hashem's name change?

JoelK‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@rosends Well you’ve already noted that sometimes it disappears entirely. But other than that I don’t believe so

rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@JoelK would it be accurate to say "when the name is preceded by a patach, the two sounds become coalesced into one syllable (va/do)"?

JoelK‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

@rosends I can’t think of any exceptions to such a rule when it comes to the name pronounced as אדני. But see eg Devarim 11:17 where ואדני האדונים has a patach on the vav and a chataf patach on the aleph

rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

@JoelK yes, but there the word is adonei (יז) כִּי יְקֹוָק אֱלֹהֵיכֶם הוּא אֱלֹהֵי הָאֱלֹהִים וַאֲדֹנֵי הָאֲדֹנִים so I'm wondering if there is a rule that can be applied just to Hashem's name (the question of why there would be different grammar for the name then arises)

JoelK‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@rosends. As I said, as far as I’m aware the rule you propose would always work for Hashem’s Name. But I think the rule is meant to have broader applications. Consider Bereishit 18:12 ואדני זקן

snowbunting‭ wrote about 4 years ago

What about when it's a dalet? "בְּרִיךְ יְקָרָא דַיְיָ מֵאֲתַר" בֵּית שְׁכִנְתֵּיהּ