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Comments on If the words come from Christian worship but aren't otherwise objectionable, can you use them for secular music?

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If the words come from Christian worship but aren't otherwise objectionable, can you use them for secular music?

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Asking this question reminded me of another.

As part of my (past) musical studies, I've studied historical compositions that set the "ordinary" of the Christian mass to music. The "ordinary" consists of five key prayer texts that are frequently (always?) part of the mass. Four of them are blatantly problematic for Jews in terms of content. The fifth, Sanctus (Wikipedia), focuses on God's glory and doesn't talk about other parts of the Christian trinity. (It's clearly related to our Kedusha.) As a student studying this music for its musical, not textual, properties, I once composed a setting of the Sanctus text. (Sure wasn't going to choose one of the others! That was a visceral reaction; I was not observant then.)

Looking back on that time now, I wonder whether setting a text that contains no objectionable religious references, but comes from a religious context, is permitted. Does context matter -- university assignment versus personal project, where (or if) it will be performed, perhaps other factors?

(Just in case anybody is concerned, this is not a practical matter for me. I am no longer a university student and when I want to do choral composition I use more suitable texts. I'm just curious.)

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DonielF‭ wrote over 3 years ago

Consider the term used for vocals-only music, a term employed often during Sefirah and the Three Weeks: a capella, “as in the chapel.”

Monica Cellio‭ wrote over 3 years ago

Y'know, I never thought about what "a capella" literally means. Thanks.

curiousdannii‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

There are a lot of Christians who have put the Psalms to music, for example the Sons of Korah. (There are even churches which only sing the Psalms.) Can such musical arrangements be used by Jews or in synagogues?

Monica Cellio‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@curiousdannii‭ that's a good (different) question -- if the text itself is clearly fine (I mean, we had the psalms first :-) ) but the source is Christian, is that a problem? Does it depend on how prominent the source is -- everybody recognizes that famous setting but obscure is different? Does it depend at all on who composed it?

curiousdannii‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@Monica I wasn't thinking of it as a different question, just as a good example for this question.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@curiousdannii‭ oh I see; you're thinking of psalm settings that are specifically used in Christian worship? (It makes sense that there would be some, just as there are some that are used in specific places in Jewish prayer. I just didn't make the connection.)