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Are questions purely about Hebrew in-scope?

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On Mi Yodeya, questions about Hebrew that aren't clearly about Judaism are considered out of scope. Should that be the case here, or should questions about the Hebrew language be ipso facto on-topic?

Questions to consider (please edit in more if you see fit):

  • Is Modern Hebrew treated differently than Rabbinic, Mishnaic, Biblical Hebrew, etc.?

  • Are other languages of the Jews, such as Aramaic, Yiddish, and Ladino, treated similarly?

  • What about comparative Ancient Near Eastern linguistics?

  • Are questions like "how does one conjugate this verb into this tense" on topic?

  • Are questions like "what does this Hebrew tattoo mean" on topic?

  • Are questions like "please translate this sentence into Hebrew" on topic?

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I think that questions about Hebrew and Jewish languages should be allowed. Knowledge of Hebrew/JL is useful for studying Torah and Jewish texts, even though requiring questions about it to be asked specifically with regard to a specific passage in a Jewish text (as was expected on Mi Yodeya) can sometimes be burdensome. If this site were an ideal "community of experts," users of this site would be particularly well-positioned to answer these kinds of questions, since knowledge of Judaism and Hebrew/JL often come together.

I see no reason to limit them to a separate category. Hebrew/JL questions already overlap very much with the already diverse set of questions that could be considered Judaism. Restricting them to a category is arbitrary; if they aren't "Jewish enough," the same argument could be made for all kinds of other categories of questions, such as e.g. product recommendation (as opposed to Purim Torah, whose restriction to a category would serve a purpose: so as not to be confused with more serious questions). Hebrew/JL questions could simply be identified by a tag.

(On the other hand, A A's cryptic suggestion to allow posts in Hebrew might in fact warrant a separate category for questions written in Hebrew, whether about Judaism or Hebrew language. I don't know whether there is enough support for such an idea, though; it depends on whether there are enough Hebrew-speaking users who would participate.)

Is Modern Hebrew treated differently than Rabbinic, Mishnaic, Biblical Hebrew, etc.?

Are other languages of the Jews, such as Aramaic, Yiddish, and Ladino, treated similarly?

All of the above should be permitted, as Modern Hebrew and the others all have a Jewish literary tradition.

What about comparative Ancient Near Eastern linguistics?

Insofar as they relate to Hebrew or Jewish languages.

Are questions like "how does one conjugate this verb into this tense" on topic?

Are questions like "what does this Hebrew tattoo mean" on topic?

Are questions like "please translate this sentence into Hebrew" on topic?

Some of these might look like bad/uninteresting questions, but that would depend on how much work and research was put into the question. Bad questions are obviously not particularly wanted, but the scope itself may allow for them. Other policies (e.g. no translation requests for lengthy texts/without research) could potentially be implemented if inundation with this kind of question becomes a problem.

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AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

"if they aren't 'Jewish enough,' the same argument could be made for all kinds of other categories of questions" I agree completely except that I don't know what other things you're talking about that aren't about Judaism but could be a good use of site resources. Product recommendations, at least for products used in the practice of Judaism, are already fine (qua Judaism) in regular QA.

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

You like msh210 are making a reductio ad absurdum argument. But then we get nothing. We have categories. Let's use them. Let's use them judiciously and not be so afraid of them that we don't ever gain from them. Separating out Hebrew serves a purpose too: it allows for maintaining a different set of scope rules.

user8078‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

@AA "Product recommendations, at least for products used in the practice of Judaism, are already fine in regular QA." Why? Because they were fine in Mi Yodeya? A priori, there is no reason to distinguish. "You...are making a reductio ad absurdum argument. But then we get nothing." No, we get the exact same thing, except for a division that I consider arbitrary.

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

You see no reason to distinguish "Please translate this passage in this Hebrew Christmas tree store pamphlet to English" and "What's the best sukkah material that will withstand freezing temperatures" as regards their fitting on a Judaism QA site?

user8078‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@AA Either could be included or excluded for separate reasons

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago

I don't understand your response. What do you mean by "separate reasons"?

user8078‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@AA It would be entirely self-consistent to exclude from a site about Judaism product recommendations or Hebrew language questions (or some other marginal type of question). And so it would be entirely self-consistent to restrict either or both to a separate category. And yet it would also be unnecessary, because other types could also be arbitrarily excluded.

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

I don't know what you mean by self consistent. It could also be self consistent to exclude questions about Pesach if you define your rules that way. This doesn't seem like a helpful metric... I don't even know what "marginally Jewish" means. The point of sectioning off Hebrew questions isn't because Hebrew is marginally Judaism; it's so that non-Judaism Hebrew questions can be asked about freely.

user8078‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@AA There's no point in continuing this discussion. Neither of us has a point to make that hasn't already been made