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Is there a medrash that says that foxes and fish lived together?

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In Brachot 61b:7 there is the famous parable of the fox trying to get the fish do go on the land.
As part of the trick, the fox says:

וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם

and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors

Is there any medrash that says that foxes and fish did live together at one point?

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Since this is a mashal, then it is not to be taken literally. The mashal of water and the nimshal of Torah is what is important. Just as originally before the Jews received the Torah they lived as Bnei Noach, those who are attempting to destroy the Bnei Yisrael are saying that the Jews should abandon the Torah and assimilate with the nations of the world. The Torah is essential to the existence of Jews as air is essential to animals and water is essential to fish. Attempting to assimilate with the nations is as deadly to us as air is to a fish.

One can say that since the Jews were Bnai Noach before the giving of the Torah, that the fish lived without water originally. That is since before Avraham Avinu one can claim that the ancestors of the Jews were idol worshipers the fox (the idol worshipers of the current day) is now attempting to pretend that the Jews would be able to survive without the Torah (a false claim).

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robev‭ wrote about 3 years ago

This does not answer the question. The OP is aware the fox was lying in the parable, but nevertheless the OP (for some unknown reason) requests to know if our sources corroborate the lie of the fox.

sabbahillel‭ wrote about 3 years ago

@robev I added a sentence pointing out that the parable does not deal with this. It is only a claim by the nations that before the Jews received the Torah they were idol worshipers.

robev‭ wrote about 3 years ago

Still don't see how this answers anything that the OP asked for .

sabbahillel‭ wrote about 3 years ago · edited about 3 years ago

@robev Since this is only a parable, it cannot be literal. Thus while one can say that the fox (nations) is saying that originally the Jews were idol worshipers, it is now attempting to convince them to leave the Torah and become idol worshipers again.

robev‭ wrote about 3 years ago · edited about 3 years ago

I get what you're saying, but you're not at all addressing "Is there any medrash that says that foxes and fish did live together at one point?"