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Comments on Why is מוציא לחם more of a problem than מתיר אסורים or מלביש ערמים?

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Why is מוציא לחם more of a problem than מתיר אסורים or מלביש ערמים?

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The Gemara (Berachot 38a) cites a dispute whether the blessing on bread is המוציא or מוציא. The issue is that the blessing must reflect the past tense; while everyone agrees that מוציא is past tense, the parties dispute whether המוציא is past or present tense. The Gemara concludes that one should recite המוציא.

Tosfos ad. loc. raise the following question (my translation):

ואע"פ דבמוציא כ"ע לא פליגי דאפיק משמע ובירושלמי מפרש טעמא כדי שלא לערב האותיות כגון העולם מוציא ואע"ג דבלחם מן נמי איכא עירוב שאני התם דקרא כתיב (תהלים קד) מצמיח חציר לבהמה ועשב לעבודת האדם להוציא לחם מן הארץ

Even though regarding מוציא nobody is in argument that it implies the past. In the Yerushalmi, the explanation is so that one should not mix the letters, i.e. [the concluding ם of] העולם [with the initial מ of] מוציא. Even though by לחם מן there is similarly mixing, that is different, as it is from the verse (Psalms 104), "Who sprouts herbage for the animal, grass for the work of man, to bring forth bread from the land [להוציא לחם מן הארץ]."

Many other blessings begin with a מ following the introduction, such as ברוך...מתיר אסורים or מלביש ערמים, among others. Why are we concerned about slurring together העולם מוציא, but not about slurring together העולם מתיר or העולם מלביש?

When these blessings are discussed in Berachot 60b, I notice that Tosafos do not comment on them. Did these blessings have a definite article in older manuscripts that was lost over time?

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user8078‭ wrote over 3 years ago

שאני התם דקרא כתיב could equally be an answer for מתיר אסורים at least

DonielF‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@user8078 The same way we can reconjugate להוציא to המוציא, I don’t see why it’d be a problem to turn מתיר into המתיר. I understood that explanation to refer strictly to in the middle of the phrase.

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 3 years ago

A wild guess, so just a comment: Perhaps the issue has to do with ברכות הנהנין‎ birkhot ha'nehenin vs. ברכות המצוות‎ birkhot hamitzvot and ברכות שבח והודאה‎ birkhot ha'shevach v'ha'hodaya. Perhaps for ברכות הנהנין which מוציא לחם is the only example here - that is must be "past tense" where with the others past or present is OK. If that's the case, then the ה question would be more critical for this Bracha than for the others.

DonielF‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@man All the MORE so that we’d want the ה prefix, if the tense doesn’t matter!

DonielF‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@AA I fail to see the relevance of that particular problem with this discussion, though it does raise the question of extending this problem to הפורש-סוכת being slurred.

AA ‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

Doesn't the article deal extensively with the issue of motzi-hamotzi and where we do or don't put an initial hei? It's been years since I read it but I remember his issue was פורס vs הפורש, not about leading into סוכת.

DonielF‭ wrote over 3 years ago

@AA He is indeed dealing with the leading ה. I might be blind (ברוך פוקח כורים), but I don’t see where he addresses המוציא as a parallel.