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Comments on Can a Levi be called up in place of a Yisrael?

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Can a Levi be called up in place of a Yisrael?

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In my Simchas Torah experience, there's at least as many cycles of aliyos as there are Kohanim and Leviim, such that if anything a given Kohen or Levi may end up with multiple aliyos on a given Simchas Torah morning.

This year was quite different; there were proportionally many Leviim for the amount of Yisraelim present, such that giving each cycle just one Levi proved to leave over several Leviim without yet receiving an aliyah. As it happened, this realization struck in the middle of a particular cycle. This led to the odd situation wherein I received Revi'i for that cycle, called up as "Doniel...Halevi bimekom Yisrael," the Levi in the place of a Yisrael.

Was what this Gabbai did permissible? Should he have instead called up some Yisraelim again for Revi'i and Chamishi, delaying the remaining Levi'im until the next cycle(s)? Would it make a difference whether it was a Levi or Kohen who received this unusual late-cycle aliyah?

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Dani‭ wrote about 4 years ago

In my shul there were no Kohanim, and a bunch of Levi'im, so we asked the rav what to do, and he said that for Simchas Torah, any order is fine. I was called for shlishi (and i am a Levi) after a Yisrael was called.

Dani‭ wrote about 4 years ago

However, I didn't hear anything about being called up "bimekom Yisrael".

Monica Cellio‭ wrote about 4 years ago

A Levi is also a Yisrael. Is there a rule that the Yisrael aliyot belong to people who are only Yisrael and not also Levi or Kohein?

robev‭ wrote about 4 years ago

@MonicaCellio I think for purposes of this topic a Levi is not a Yisroel

manassehkatz‭ wrote about 4 years ago · edited about 4 years ago

In normal times, it is pretty strict: 1 = Cohen, if no Cohen then Gabbai's choice (really!) Levi or Yisrael; 2 = Levi unless (a) no Cohen - then Yisrael, (b) Cohen but no Levi - then the same Cohen (because a Cohen is a subset of Levi; but can't do a different Cohen because that would imply the first turned out to be invalid), all other regular Aliyahs = only Yisroel; Acharon (which some do a lot, some never, and only Shabbos or Yom Tov) and Maftir - anyone. Simchas Torah the only usual

manassehkatz‭ wrote about 4 years ago

exception, though even then in normal times my Shul makes an effort to distribute Cohanim & Leviim so that the usual rules are followed until they can't be. This year - Baal Koreh gets everything. I was thrilled to actually call up a Cohen last week (the other Menashe Katz - he is a Cohen, I am not) and give him all the Aliyahs during Chol Hamoed - for the last several months I've been always saying "Yaamod..." without "Hacohen" (because Baal Koreh hasn't been a Cohen) and

manassehkatz‭ wrote about 4 years ago

also without the normal "Bimkom Cohen" because this is not a substitution in the normal sense. Strange times.