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Does "make for yourself a rav" normally terminate with the synagogue employment contract?

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I was talking with a US rabbi from a liberal movement who left a congregation after 30 years. He told me that he needed to disengage from his now-former congregants, out of deference to the new rabbi. This is strong guidance or policy from the CCAR (rabbinic body), not just him making his own evaluation. (This question is not about the Reform movement; that's just context.)

This surprised me, as I didn't know that "make for yourself a rav" had implicit termination conditions. I knew that, as a matter of professional courtesy, the outgoing rabbi would decline requests to do lifecycle events for congregants and ask them to go to the new rabbi instead. That makes sense to me, but I didn't expect it to extend to other contexts like individual study or answering questions. There is apparently some wiggle room if the new rabbi agrees; I didn't ask detailed questions.

Is this practice more general, or is it specific to liberal movements or perhaps to the CCAR in particular? I've never been a member or close observer of an Orthodox congregation during a rabbinic transition, so I don't have anything to compare this with. In other communities, and I'm especially interested in Orthodox ones, if a congregational rabbi leaves (on good terms), is he expected to stop individually teaching or guiding congregants? On the one hand, we want to avoid the actuality or appearance of the previous rabbi overstepping the new rabbi's authority. On the other hand, making for yourself a rav seems a more personal matter that I wouldn't expect to be bound by a synagogue employment contract.

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rosends‭ wrote over 4 years ago

I just read through a bunch of commentaries on the mishna and they talk about finding someone to settle issues, or teach laws, or argue with, but none mentions life cycle events. It appears that you can continue to have a learning/study relationship with a former-pulpit rabbi.

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Life-cycle events is actually, IMHO, a new addition to Rabbinics. Anyone can do a funeral (I've been to a few run by laypersons for various reasons). A Bris needs a Mohel but doesn't need a Rabbi. A Bar/Bat Mitzvah has no need for anyone special. A wedding is the one where, due to frequent complications regarding names, Kesubah details, etc. that a Rabbi is highly recommended, but Halachically not truly required. Rabbis are really about Paskening & teaching. To me, the line would be between

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Paskening (generally not a good idea, at least publicly, for a "retired" Rabbi) and teaching (always encouraged). In my experience, Orthodox Rabbis mostly serve until death (whether a ripe old age or sometimes much younger). The one exception I can think of locally was Rabbi Klavan. He actually moved shortly after he retired. Stayed in the area (driving distance to his old Shul, but not walking distance) which made for a clean break without controversy. I don't know if that was his intention

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 4 years ago

or if he had other reasons to move, as I didn't know him well at the time, though we became friends in later years. He certainly had the public respect and admiration of other (younger) Rabbis despite being retired.