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Some seder plates (or layout instructions in haggadot) use two bitter herbs (I'm used to seeing horseradish and endive), one labelled maror and one labelled chazeret. Others have only a single spa...
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Monica Cellio
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2023-04-10T19:32:13Z (about 1 year ago)
Some seder plates (or layout instructions in haggadot) use two bitter herbs (I'm used to seeing horseradish and endive). Others have only a single space for *maror*. What is the second one for, and is this custom or something stronger?We eat *maror* twice, once for *al achilat maror* (dipped into the *charoset*) and once as part of the "Hillel sandwich". I was taught (um, somewhere...) that the Hillel sandwich addresses a dispute about *timing* -- some say to eat the matzah, maror, and (when the temple stood) lamb separately and others together, so we do both. I've never heard about a dispute about what to use for maror with the outcome of "do both", but I'm far from learned.- It's possible that there's no dispute but, rather, we try to go beyond the minimum by experiencing two different types of bitterness -- a similar idea to *hidur mitzvah*, in a way.
- It's possible that this is a difference among communities, and that some understand an obligation for two distinct bitter items and others do not, and the makers of seder plates and haggadot want to maximize the number of people who can use their products.
- What is really going on with the second item for *maror*?
- Some seder plates (or layout instructions in haggadot) use two bitter herbs (I'm used to seeing horseradish and endive), one labelled *maror* and one labelled *chazeret*. Others have only a single space for *maror*. What is the second one for, and is this custom or something stronger?
- We eat *maror* twice, once for *al achilat maror* (dipped into the *charoset*) and once as part of the "Hillel sandwich". I was taught (um, somewhere...) that the Hillel sandwich addresses a dispute about *timing* -- some say to eat the matzah, maror, and (when the temple stood) lamb separately and others together, so we do both. I've never heard about a dispute about what to use for maror with the outcome of "do both", but I'm far from learned. None of the haggadot I've seen say to use maror for one and chazeret for the other.
- It's possible that there's no dispute but, rather, we try to go beyond the minimum by experiencing two different types of bitterness -- a similar idea to *hidur mitzvah*, in a way.
- It's possible that this is a difference among communities, and that some understand an obligation for two distinct bitter items and others do not, and the makers of seder plates and haggadot want to maximize the number of people who can use their products.
- What is really going on with the second item for *maror*?
#1: Initial revision
by
Monica Cellio
·
2023-04-09T21:56:51Z (about 1 year ago)
Why two types of maror?
Some seder plates (or layout instructions in haggadot) use two bitter herbs (I'm used to seeing horseradish and endive). Others have only a single space for *maror*. What is the second one for, and is this custom or something stronger? We eat *maror* twice, once for *al achilat maror* (dipped into the *charoset*) and once as part of the "Hillel sandwich". I was taught (um, somewhere...) that the Hillel sandwich addresses a dispute about *timing* -- some say to eat the matzah, maror, and (when the temple stood) lamb separately and others together, so we do both. I've never heard about a dispute about what to use for maror with the outcome of "do both", but I'm far from learned. It's possible that there's no dispute but, rather, we try to go beyond the minimum by experiencing two different types of bitterness -- a similar idea to *hidur mitzvah*, in a way. It's possible that this is a difference among communities, and that some understand an obligation for two distinct bitter items and others do not, and the makers of seder plates and haggadot want to maximize the number of people who can use their products. What is really going on with the second item for *maror*?