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The Shoel Umeshiv was asked the question even stronger: according to Rashi (Suka there), the concern is that he'll take it to an expert to learn "its shaking process or the benediction" to recite; ...
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#2: Post edited
by
msh210
·
2021-04-12T07:06:37Z (about 3 years ago)
- The _Shoel Umeshiv_ was asked the question even stronger: according to _Rashi_ ([_Suka_ there](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Sukkah.42b.10?with=Rashi)), the concern is that he'll take it to an expert to learn "its shaking process or the benediction" to recite; and the latter seems to be a concern for _matza_ too. I don't fully understand [his answer](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1425&pgnum=7), so I recommend you check it out; but there are others:
- - [The _Haamek Sh'ela_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39101&st=&pgnum=229) explains that _shofar_ and _lulav_ are daytime activities whereas _matza_ is eaten at night, when people are less apt to go out, so there was less of a concern.
- Also in the _Haamek Sh'ela_'s name (though I don't see it there): Experts would make house calls on _Pesach_, going around to various people's houses. [Cf. [_Mishna B'rura_ 484:1](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.484.1?with=Mishnah%20Berurah).] So there's little concern someone will go out to the expert.- - Rabbi _Yitzchak Y'rucham_ Diskin (the son of Rabbi _Y'hoshua Leb_ Diskin) explains that one is punished for carrying food on _Shabas_ only if it's of a certain size, and that size is larger than the olive-sized amount one needs to eat on _Pesach_, so there's little concern he'll carry so much.
- - [Rabbi _Yosef Tz'vi_ Rimon](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) suggests that the number of rules one may need to ask about, or at least the number of rules one may need to ask about while showing the object itself to the rabbi, are much fewer for _matza_ than for _shofar_ or _lulav_, so there's little concern he'll carry the _matza_.
- - [The _Chemdas Yisrael_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21649&pgnum=6) explains that by doing away with blowing _shofar_ and shaking _lulav_, the rabbis left intact some remnant of the _mitzva_: one can learn about it and thus fulfill it in spirit. But _matza_, unlike _shofar_ and _lulav_, is incumbent also on women — and women have no inherent requirement to learn Torah. So by doing away with _matza_, the rabbis would be __completely__ doing away with it (for women): so they didn't.
- This answer post is based on [1](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) and [2](http://chabad.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/25-03-2018-03-45-34-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97-%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%94-%D7%97%D7%92-%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97.pdf) (PDF).
- The _Shoel Umeshiv_ was asked the question even stronger: according to _Rashi_ ([_Suka_ there](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Sukkah.42b.10?with=Rashi)), the concern is that he'll take it to an expert to learn "its shaking process or the benediction" to recite; and the latter seems to be a concern for _matza_ too. I don't fully understand [his answer](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1425&pgnum=7), so I recommend you check it out; but there are others:
- - [The _Haamek Sh'ela_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39101&st=&pgnum=229) explains that _shofar_ and _lulav_ are daytime activities whereas _matza_ is eaten at night, when people are less apt to go out, so there was less of a concern.
- - Also in the _Haamek Sh'ela_'s name (though I don't see it there): Experts would make house calls for the _seder_, going around to various people's houses. [Cf. [_Mishna B'rura_ 484:1](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.484.1?with=Mishnah%20Berurah).] So there's little concern someone will go out to the expert.
- - Rabbi _Yitzchak Y'rucham_ Diskin (the son of Rabbi _Y'hoshua Leb_ Diskin) explains that one is punished for carrying food on _Shabas_ only if it's of a certain size, and that size is larger than the olive-sized amount one needs to eat on _Pesach_, so there's little concern he'll carry so much.
- - [Rabbi _Yosef Tz'vi_ Rimon](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) suggests that the number of rules one may need to ask about, or at least the number of rules one may need to ask about while showing the object itself to the rabbi, are much fewer for _matza_ than for _shofar_ or _lulav_, so there's little concern he'll carry the _matza_.
- - [The _Chemdas Yisrael_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21649&pgnum=6) explains that by doing away with blowing _shofar_ and shaking _lulav_, the rabbis left intact some remnant of the _mitzva_: one can learn about it and thus fulfill it in spirit. But _matza_, unlike _shofar_ and _lulav_, is incumbent also on women — and women have no inherent requirement to learn Torah. So by doing away with _matza_, the rabbis would be __completely__ doing away with it (for women): so they didn't.
- This answer post is based on [1](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) and [2](http://chabad.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/25-03-2018-03-45-34-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97-%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%94-%D7%97%D7%92-%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97.pdf) (PDF).
#1: Initial revision
by
msh210
·
2021-04-12T07:01:43Z (about 3 years ago)
The _Shoel Umeshiv_ was asked the question even stronger: according to _Rashi_ ([_Suka_ there](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Sukkah.42b.10?with=Rashi)), the concern is that he'll take it to an expert to learn "its shaking process or the benediction" to recite; and the latter seems to be a concern for _matza_ too. I don't fully understand [his answer](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1425&pgnum=7), so I recommend you check it out; but there are others: - [The _Haamek Sh'ela_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39101&st=&pgnum=229) explains that _shofar_ and _lulav_ are daytime activities whereas _matza_ is eaten at night, when people are less apt to go out, so there was less of a concern. - Also in the _Haamek Sh'ela_'s name (though I don't see it there): Experts would make house calls on _Pesach_, going around to various people's houses. [Cf. [_Mishna B'rura_ 484:1](https://www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.484.1?with=Mishnah%20Berurah).] So there's little concern someone will go out to the expert. - Rabbi _Yitzchak Y'rucham_ Diskin (the son of Rabbi _Y'hoshua Leb_ Diskin) explains that one is punished for carrying food on _Shabas_ only if it's of a certain size, and that size is larger than the olive-sized amount one needs to eat on _Pesach_, so there's little concern he'll carry so much. - [Rabbi _Yosef Tz'vi_ Rimon](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) suggests that the number of rules one may need to ask about, or at least the number of rules one may need to ask about while showing the object itself to the rabbi, are much fewer for _matza_ than for _shofar_ or _lulav_, so there's little concern he'll carry the _matza_. - [The _Chemdas Yisrael_](https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21649&pgnum=6) explains that by doing away with blowing _shofar_ and shaking _lulav_, the rabbis left intact some remnant of the _mitzva_: one can learn about it and thus fulfill it in spirit. But _matza_, unlike _shofar_ and _lulav_, is incumbent also on women — and women have no inherent requirement to learn Torah. So by doing away with _matza_, the rabbis would be __completely__ doing away with it (for women): so they didn't. This answer post is based on [1](https://www.etzion.org.il/he/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-0) and [2](http://chabad.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/25-03-2018-03-45-34-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97-%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%94-%D7%97%D7%92-%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97.pdf) (PDF).