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From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a segol. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and...
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msh210
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2020-09-30T05:02:02Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_.- /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
- From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is [/ej/](//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet) as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_.
- /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
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msh210
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2020-09-30T04:54:18Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
- From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_.
- /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
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msh210
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2020-09-30T04:45:47Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more-recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
- From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
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msh210
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2020-09-30T04:44:00Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.) It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically.[Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically. Since you say you heard the same speaker sometimes use a more-recognizable _cholam_, I'm guessing he or she pronounced some as learned at home and some as learned in _y'shiva_, or something along those lines.
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msh210
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2020-09-30T04:09:57Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.)- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
- From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.) It has nothing to do with Yom Kippur specifically.
- [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.
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msh210
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2020-09-30T04:09:11Z (over 3 years ago)
From my experience with Chabad, I strongly suspect what you heard is /ej/ as in "fate" or "way", perhaps pronounced quickly so it came out sounding like a _segol_. /ej/ is the traditional Russian and Lithuanian pronunciation of a _cholam_. That pronunciation is not used by most who attend the formerly-Lithuanian _y'shivos_ today, but you still hear some old-timers there use it, as well as many Chabad folks. ([The town of Lubavitch](//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubavichi,_Rudnyansky_District,_Smolensk_Oblast) was in Russia.) [Gil Student](https://www.torahmusings.com/2011/06/the-pronunciation-of-the-cholam-vowel/) has slightly more information on this.