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Q&A The Talmudic "Drakkon" and the Chinese "Long"

It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast Loong. Avoda Zara 43a.6: תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רש...

0 answers  ·  posted 4y ago by Alaychem‭  ·  edited 4y ago by DonielF‭

#4: Post edited by user avatar DonielF‭ · 2020-08-03T21:30:05Z (about 4 years ago)
Added Wikipedia and Sefaria link, formatted blockquote
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast "Long" (dragon).
  • Avoda zara 43:a
  • תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
  • The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? Did anyone in our sources noticed it?
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast [Loong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dragon).
  • Avoda Zara 43a.6:
  • >תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
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  • >The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![Chinese dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? Did anyone in our sources noticed it?
#3: Post edited by user avatar Harel13‭ · 2020-08-03T19:12:26Z (about 4 years ago)
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast "Long" (dragon).
  • Avoda zara 43:a
  • תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
  • The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? did anyone at our sources noticed it?
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast "Long" (dragon).
  • Avoda zara 43:a
  • תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
  • The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? Did anyone in our sources noticed it?
#2: Post edited by user avatar Alaychem‭ · 2020-08-03T12:32:46Z (about 4 years ago)
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese mythical beast "Long" (dragon).
  • Avoda zara 43:a
  • תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
  • The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? did anyone at our sources noticed it?
  • It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese worshiped, mythical beast "Long" (dragon).
  • Avoda zara 43:a
  • תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר
  • The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.
  • [Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]
  • ![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)
  • Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.
  • Are they the same? did anyone at our sources noticed it?
#1: Initial revision by user avatar Alaychem‭ · 2020-08-03T12:26:25Z (about 4 years ago)
The Talmudic "Drakkon" and the Chinese "Long"
It seems that there is a similarity between the "Drakkon" figure , as the Gemmara describes it, and the Chinese mythical beast "Long" (dragon).



Avoda zara 43:a

תנו רבנן איזהו צורת דרקון פירש רשב"א כל שיש לו ציצין בין פרקיו מחוי רבי אסי בין פרקי צואר 

The Sages taught: What is a figure of a dragon? Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar explained: It is any figure that has tassels between its joints. Rabbi Asi motioned with his hands to depict tassels between the joints of the neck.

[Sefaria translates ציצין as scales, that is an obvious mistake, קשקשים are scales, not ציצין]

![dragon](https://judaism.codidact.com/uploads/kg9eY9Fq2RADSXj2CqvxpACW)

Notice the tassels located mainly around the neck.







Are they the same? did anyone at our sources noticed it?