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Q&A Avinu Malkeinu as part of Tachanun

Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Prayer and the Priestly Blessing, 5 שמונה דברים, צריך המתפלל להיזהר בהן ולעשותן; ואם היה דחוק, או נאנס, או שעבר ולא עשה אותן--אינן מעכבין. ואלו הן--עמידה, ונוכח המקדש, ותי...

posted 4y ago by AA ‭  ·  edited 4y ago by manassehkatz‭

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#2: Post edited by user avatar manassehkatz‭ · 2020-12-27T18:07:38Z (almost 4 years ago)
Change Rambam reference to (hopefully) hit the Sefaria linker
  • Rambam Tefilla 5
  • > שמונה דברים, צריך המתפלל להיזהר בהן ולעשותן; ואם היה דחוק, או נאנס, או שעבר ולא עשה אותן--אינן מעכבין. ואלו הן--עמידה, ונוכח המקדש, ותיקון הגוף, ותיקון המלבוש, ותיקון המקום, והשווית הקול, והכריעה, וההשתחוויה. עמידה כיצד: אין מתפללין אלא מעומד. היה יושב בספינה או בעגלה... השתחוויה כיצד: אחר שמגביה ראשו מכריעה חמישית, יושב לארץ, ונופל על פניו ארצה, ומתחנן בכל תחנונים שירצה.
  • > There are 8 things an individual praying must be careful to do, but if [for any reason] he didn't do them, they do not prevent the fulfillment of the prayer, and they are: standing, facing the Temple, ... and prostration. What is "standing"? One only prays standing. If he is sitting on a boat or a wagon... What it "prostration"? After finishing [the bow at the end of the amida] one sits on the ground and falls on his face on the ground and supplicates with any supplication that he wants....
  • All the supplications between the amida and kaddish are "tachanun[im]" and are the final _part_ of the amida. There are many varied customs about including or omitting certain fixed supplications on various occasions, in various orders, but they are just customs. In principle any supplication fulfills this requirement, and even if you did not supplicate at all then you still fulfill your obligation of prayer.
  • Use the opportunity to supplicate God for whatever you need in your last opportunity as you finish your visit with the King of Kings. Tachanun is the נעילה of each prayer and its intimate posture and loose liturgy reflect that "final moments" charge. "_Saying_ tachanun" is frankly an oxymoron.
  • Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Prayer and the Priestly Blessing, 5
  • > שמונה דברים, צריך המתפלל להיזהר בהן ולעשותן; ואם היה דחוק, או נאנס, או שעבר ולא עשה אותן--אינן מעכבין. ואלו הן--עמידה, ונוכח המקדש, ותיקון הגוף, ותיקון המלבוש, ותיקון המקום, והשווית הקול, והכריעה, וההשתחוויה. עמידה כיצד: אין מתפללין אלא מעומד. היה יושב בספינה או בעגלה... השתחוויה כיצד: אחר שמגביה ראשו מכריעה חמישית, יושב לארץ, ונופל על פניו ארצה, ומתחנן בכל תחנונים שירצה.
  • > There are 8 things an individual praying must be careful to do, but if [for any reason] he didn't do them, they do not prevent the fulfillment of the prayer, and they are: standing, facing the Temple, ... and prostration. What is "standing"? One only prays standing. If he is sitting on a boat or a wagon... What it "prostration"? After finishing [the bow at the end of the amida] one sits on the ground and falls on his face on the ground and supplicates with any supplication that he wants....
  • All the supplications between the amida and kaddish are "tachanun[im]" and are the final _part_ of the amida. There are many varied customs about including or omitting certain fixed supplications on various occasions, in various orders, but they are just customs. In principle any supplication fulfills this requirement, and even if you did not supplicate at all then you still fulfill your obligation of prayer.
  • Use the opportunity to supplicate God for whatever you need in your last opportunity as you finish your visit with the King of Kings. Tachanun is the נעילה of each prayer and its intimate posture and loose liturgy reflect that "final moments" charge. "_Saying_ tachanun" is frankly an oxymoron.
#1: Initial revision by user avatar AA ‭ · 2020-07-24T13:37:42Z (over 4 years ago)
Rambam Tefilla 5

> שמונה דברים, צריך המתפלל להיזהר בהן ולעשותן; ואם היה דחוק,  או נאנס, או שעבר ולא עשה אותן--אינן מעכבין.  ואלו הן--עמידה, ונוכח המקדש, ותיקון הגוף, ותיקון המלבוש, ותיקון המקום, והשווית הקול, והכריעה, וההשתחוויה. עמידה כיצד:  אין מתפללין אלא מעומד.  היה יושב בספינה או בעגלה... השתחוויה כיצד:  אחר שמגביה ראשו מכריעה חמישית, יושב לארץ, ונופל על פניו ארצה, ומתחנן בכל תחנונים שירצה.

> There are 8 things an individual praying must be careful to do, but if [for any reason] he didn't do them, they do not prevent the fulfillment of the prayer, and they are: standing, facing the Temple, ... and prostration. What is "standing"? One only prays standing. If he is sitting on a boat or a wagon... What it "prostration"? After finishing [the bow at the end of the amida] one sits on the ground and falls on his face on the ground and supplicates with any supplication that he wants....

All the supplications between the amida and kaddish are "tachanun[im]" and are the final _part_ of the amida. There are many varied customs about including or omitting certain fixed supplications on various occasions, in various orders, but they are just customs. In principle any supplication fulfills this requirement, and even if you did not supplicate at all then you still fulfill your obligation of prayer.

Use the opportunity to supplicate God for whatever you need in your last opportunity as you finish your visit with the King of Kings. Tachanun is the נעילה of each prayer and its intimate posture and loose liturgy reflect that "final moments" charge. "_Saying_ tachanun" is frankly an oxymoron.