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Shulchan Aruch, Yore Dea 324:11, discusses what to do if the starter is tevel (has not had chala taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had chala taken) or vice versa. So clearly chala must be ta...
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msh210
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2020-07-02T04:48:13Z (almost 4 years ago)
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter if it's made of enough flour. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken though it should have had, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
If the starter itself does not have the requisite amount of flour, then I don't know. I'd **guess** that it still combines with the other dough and you take _chala_ on the whole; in the other hand, **maybe** it's considered an example of "starter that doesn't require _chala_ taken, added to a dough that does" (the classic example is where the starter is a non-Jew's): the _Rama_ there says not to use such a starter because you're mixing _chala_-required and not-_chala_-required doughs.
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter if it's made of enough flour. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken though it should have had, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- If the starter itself does not have the requisite amount of flour, then I don't know. I'd **guess** that it still combines with the other dough and you take _chala_ on the whole; on the other hand, **maybe** it's considered an example of "starter that doesn't require _chala_ taken, added to a dough that does" (the classic example is where the starter is a non-Jew's): the _Rama_ there says not to use such a starter because you're mixing _chala_-required and not-_chala_-required doughs.
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msh210
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2020-07-01T04:54:04Z (almost 4 years ago)
& more of the same
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter if it's made of enough flour. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken though it should have had, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
(That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter if it's made of enough flour. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken though it should have had, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- If the starter itself does not have the requisite amount of flour, then I don't know. I'd **guess** that it still combines with the other dough and you take _chala_ on the whole; in the other hand, **maybe** it's considered an example of "starter that doesn't require _chala_ taken, added to a dough that does" (the classic example is where the starter is a non-Jew's): the _Rama_ there says not to use such a starter because you're mixing _chala_-required and not-_chala_-required doughs.
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msh210
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2020-07-01T04:46:09Z (almost 4 years ago)
comments on the answer indicate that starters are small; editing therefore
[_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter if it's made of enough flour. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken though it should have had, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
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msh210
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2020-06-30T21:48:10Z (almost 4 years ago)
clearer
[_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough and, if the starter had not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough. If the starter has not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
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msh210
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2020-06-30T21:34:03Z (almost 4 years ago)
[_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough and, if the starter had not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite size.- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
- [_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough and, if the starter had not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite amount of flour.
- (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)
#1: Initial revision
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msh210
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2020-06-30T21:33:03Z (almost 4 years ago)
[_Shulchan Aruch_, _Yore Dea_ 324:11](//www.sefaria.org.il/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.324.11), discusses what to do if the starter is _tevel_ (has not had _chala_ taken) and the dough is not (viz, it has had _chala_ taken) or vice versa. So clearly _chala_ must be taken from the starter and the rest of the dough and, if the starter had not had _chala_ taken, presumably [but contact your rabbi instead of relying on me] you can simply take the appropriate amount from the completed dough if it is, in toto, of the requisite size. (That said, there's also a requirement to take _chala_: it's a _mitzva_, not **only** something that, if not done, bars you from eating the dough. So leaving your starter around without _chala_ having been taken **may** be problematic. But that's not what you asked.)