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Should imported posts retain their original votes?

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It seems likely that we will import at least some content from Mi Yodeya. There's a separate question for that; in this question I want to focus on a suggestion brought up in an answer there: keep the original votes for the imported posts instead of resetting to zero. I'm separating this out because that answer addresses two points, this and what to import, and there's one comment so far saying a vote was for one part of that and not the other. I want to avoid such confusion when we decide this.

Assuming we import content, and setting aside the question of what to import (please discuss that on the other question), what should we do with the votes that posts gained on Mi Yodeya when we import here? We could:

  • Keep the votes as they are. Those votes reflect valuable evaluations that have already been performed; why throw that away?

  • Keep the votes but apply some fudge factor, so that votes earned natively here will count more. This reflects that Judaism Codidact is a different community, although with many of the same users, and "native" work is a stronger reflection of this community.

  • Keep the votes but separate them somehow, so a post might be +3/-1 in native votes and +15/-2 in imported votes -- find a way to show all that. (Note: this would require new code.)

  • Other things I haven't thought of yet.

If we import votes we will not be able to associate them with voters. We don't know who voted. You might end up voting again for something you voted on there. The answer I linked to questions whether this is really a concern if our goal is to bring in valuable content.

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Another proposal: Award at most one vote on import per post.

If we're importing a post that had a net-positive score at Mi Yodeya, indicating that the community there considered it valuable, it would seem wrong for it to show up here with a zero score. So give it one upvote "from the community."

Beyond the simple signal from the sign of the Mi Yodeya score that this post has value, the signal sent by the scale of the score at Mi Yodeya is more confounded. It could come from degree of publicity (including happening to be featured on the network's sidebar) as much as from the community's judgement of its value. So, there's much less value in importing that scale here. Add to that the aforementioned problems with mixing Mi Yodeya votes with local votes.

One place where we might want to pay attention to the relative scores of posts is in the import of multiple answers to the same question. There, to capture Mi Yodeya's collective judgement about the relative value of the answers, it might make sense to give an import vote only to the highest-scoring answer, or perhaps the top Nth percentile of answers.

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Monica Cellio‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Or set the threshold higher for answers. Some questions collect several answers that are all quality answers (I know I've asked questions that have produced this effect); I'd rather have absolute criteria than grade on a curve where an answer's results depend not on that answer but on what else is there.

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

What is the big loss of importing some rough scaling? What is the big loss of a few double votes? I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. You're throwing away signal for no apparent reason

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Isaac Moses‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@AA I think that if we're going to mix together two different kinds of information from two different contexts, an affirmative case needs to be made for mixing the data, more than for not doing so. This is not the same community as MY, and the scope, standards, and mores may all be different here, as the population size and age certainly are. Votes from there don't mean the same thing as votes from here, and importing large quantities of them as if they were votes here feels misleading.

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

Having signal is good for many reasons; throwing away signal is bad. That's the affirmative case. What's the negative case? I have yet to see any indication that anyone wants a scope or standard that is more restrictive than MY. (On the contrary, it's almost like only those with bones to pick are speaking up at all, which is dangerous in itself.) Do you have any reason to think an upvoted post there would ever not also be a useful post here?

AA ‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Surely the Samoa post on MY had an anomalously high number of votes, but the anomaly didn't cause any harm on MY and I see no reason to think it would here. What's the harm in bringing some votes?