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Did the urim v'tummim require binary questions?

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The g'mara on Yoma 73a gives the following examples of questions asked of the urim v'tummim (Exodus 28:30) and their answers:

  • "Shall I pursue after this troop?" (I Samuel 30:8). Answer: "Thus says God: Go up and succeed."

  • "Will Saul come down?" Answer: "He will come down." (I Samuel 23:11)

  • "Will the men of Keilah deliver me and my men into the hand of Saul?" Answer: "They will deliver you." (I Samuel 23:12)

  • "Shall I pursue after this troop? Will I overtake them?" Answer: "Pursue, for you will surely overtake them, and will surely rescue." (I Samuel 30:8)

  • "Shall I yet again go out to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother, or shall I cease?" Answer: "Go up, for tomorrow I will deliver him into your hand." (Judges 20:28)

All of these are yes/no questions, and I have read that it's supposed to be a binary question. The last example it the only one that could not be literally answered "yes" or "no", because it raises both options.

Yet we have answers that say more than "yes" or "no", and the g'mara describes how the letters on the breastplate either lit up or were raised so that the high priest would know what to say. That wouldn't be needed if the asker only needed to know "yes" or "no".

Was the asker required to ask a yes/no question, and anything further in the way of an answer is divine generosity? Or could the asker ask a question that was more open-ended, like "which direction should we march?", and get an answer? Was one allowed to ask anything, but the likelihood of an answer increased if the question was more focused? What were the rules for asking questions of the urim v'tummim?

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a couple of websites which seem to hint to the questions as being more than binary (at least I make t... (2 comments)
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It is not that binary questions were required but that the answers could very easily be misunderstood. For example, the question that Eli asked about Chana (Shmuels mother) is a example. The answer consisted of the letters הכרש which he read as שִׁכֹּרָה (drunk) when it actually was כְּשָׂרָה (like Sara Imeinu) or כְּשֵׁרָה (Kosher). This inverted the meaning entirely. The question needed to be asked very carefuly in order to make sure that the answer was understood properly.

Indeed in the case of Pilegesh Begiv'ah, the initial question was asked in the wrong way and Judah lost the first battle.

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why did Chana's behavior rise to such a level that it justified asking ANYTHING of the Urim V'Tumim? ... (3 comments)
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why did Chana's behavior rise to such a level that it justified asking ANYTHING of the Urim V'Tumim? ...
rosends‭ wrote over 3 years ago

why did Chana's behavior rise to such a level that it justified asking ANYTHING of the Urim V'Tumim? She was just a lady who was crying. Did he ask for divine clarification anytime anyone showed up?

Dani‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

rosends‭ As the passuk says: וְחַנָּ֗ה הִ֚יא מְדַבֶּ֣רֶת עַל־לִבָּ֔הּ רַ֚ק שְׂפָתֶ֣יהָ נָּע֔וֹת וְקוֹלָ֖הּ לֹ֣א יִשָּׁמֵ֑עַ וַיַּחְשְׁבֶ֥הָ עֵלִ֖י לְשִׁכֹּרָֽה׃
Now Hannah was praying in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice could not be heard. So Eli thought she was drunk.

rosends‭ wrote over 3 years ago

Dani‭ yes, but that seems like a relatively banal issue. Consulting the Urim V'Tumim was for matters of national importance (should we go to war) or something affecting the masses. The behavior of a single woman who looked like she was drunk rises to that level?