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Comments on What makes something "cooked" by a Jew on Shabbos?

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What makes something "cooked" by a Jew on Shabbos?

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I hope this hypothetical makes sense.

  1. According to my understanding, for an Ashkenazic Jew to accept that food was cooked "by" a Jew (and therefore not bishul Akum), the Jew must, at least, turn the flame on (or click the "on" switch)

  2. According to my understanding, if a Jew cooks food for me on Shabbos, I can never eat it. If a non-Jew cooks it, I have to wait after Shabbos for the amount of time it would take to make the food.

  3. For a Jew to be considered guilty of "bishul" on Shabbos, the food has to advance towards edibility to some degree so if a Jew were to turn a flame on under some food, he would be guilty of lighting a flame but not for cooking on shabbos because the food hasn't advanced towards edibility the required amount.

But if the Jew's involvement attaches the name of "cooked by a Jew" to the food product, would it also be enough to make the food inedible by me forever? Or if all the person did was turn on the flame and a non-Jew did all the measuring, mixing etc, could I eat the food after a particular amount of time after Shabbos?

Is the status of "cooked by a Jew" which is essential on a Tuesday, transferrable to other areas of law which exist on a Saturday, or is the status only in regard to one set of laws (bishul akum) but not another (bishul by a Jew, for a Jew on shabbos)?

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OK, so the food would be forbidden because it is the product of SOME violation of shabbos, whether or... (2 comments)
OK, so the food would be forbidden because it is the product of SOME violation of shabbos, whether or...
rosends‭ wrote 10 months ago

OK, so the food would be forbidden because it is the product of SOME violation of shabbos, whether or not what I have done is considered "cooking" but apparently, the title of "cooking" does NOT apply on shabbos in that case. So I have the l'ma'aseh covered but not the logic.

watchmaker‭ wrote 10 months ago · edited 10 months ago

I would be interested especially in the aspect if only the preparation is wrong, or, if the result is "tainted" in some way and must not be used.

Not only restricted to food.

Think of Sabbath candles that were not lite in time but accidentally on Sabbath. Are they "tainted"? Is using that light forbidden, to see with or lighting other candles (even after Sabbath)?